Technique of the Catholic Apologist

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Sid2		#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11850 06/30/09 12:45:20	wondrousgnat wrote: I used to be a Protestant and explored various denominations. But I realized that the remarriages of divorcees so common in the churches, especially among the ministers, contradicted scripture. And there was more and worse yet: it was obvious that any denomination which does not oppose abortion is not a bible-believing denomination. [Yes, there are individual pastors and churches which oppose abortion. Whe I read ABORTING AMERICA by Bernard Nathanson who stated that no Protestant denomination opposed abortion it was obvious the one and only church to join. Ah, please. . . If the RCC is so anti-abortion, why do we have a generation of Catholics who saw no problem with voting for the most pro-abortion president in history? . . . apparently the left hand don't know or care what the right hand is doing. So much for the myth of Catholic unity. . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
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wondrousgnat.christiansvsnon...		#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 06/30/09 13:22:16	True. Many Catholics approve of abortion. But the Roman Catholic church does NOT. Obviously your denominaton does and this was a copout. There will come a Judgement Day. We will not be judged by whether we were obedient to the current popular opinion. Every priest, every pope every pastor will be judged by God. The leaders of your denomination will be judged, in part, by their stand on the issue of abortion. Where do your leaders stand? If your denomination does not stand up against abortion then why are you a member? Last Edited By: wondrousgnat 06/30/09 13:25:31. Edited 2 times.
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Sid2		#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11850 06/30/09 14:15:46	wondrousgnat wrote: True. Many Catholics approve of abortion. But the Roman Catholic church does NOT. Why do Catholics demonstrate so little change for the better in their lives? Has the RCC's gospel of fear, guilt and legalisms failed them? I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
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wondrousgnat.christiansvsnon...		#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 07/01/09 08:38:42	Expected tactic. Insult me instead of dealing with the issue. The question is this: why do you belong to a denomination which does not oppose abortion? Which makes it a denomination which is not bible believing. If you dodge the question again then I know you have no answer.
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Sid2		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11850 07/01/09 08:58:54	wondrousgnat wrote: Expected tactic. Insult me instead of dealing with the issue. The question is this: why do you belong to a denomination which does not oppose abortion? Which makes it a denomination which is not bible believing. If you dodge the question again then I know you have no answer. Whining, moaning and playing the victim. . . . just because I don't follow bunny trails. I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
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wondrousgnat.christiansvsnon...		#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 07/01/09 14:12:05	Your faith has been proven by you to be a waste. You have nothing to show for it
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Sid2		#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11850 07/01/09 14:22:45	wondrousgnat wrote: Your faith has been proven by you to be a waste. You have nothing to show for it You know nothing about me or my faith. I know many, many Ex-Catholics who were given a very strong message to get OUT of the Catholic church when they were saved. I was one of them. I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful. Last Edited By: Sid2 07/02/09 04:21:02. Edited 1 time.
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DougErd		#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4379 07/04/09 00:38:33 Moderator	DougErd wrote: wondrousgnat wrote: I used to be a Protestant and explored various denominations. There are only two types of people. Those who follow Jesus Christ and those who don't. Many are searching yet go from one false group to another. The problem you have is that your searching for 'churches' instead of trying to find Jesus Christ. But I realized that the remarriages of divorcees so common in the churches, especially among the ministers, contradicted scripture. So does doctrines of demons, like forbidding to marry like the Catholic Church teaches. And there was more and worse yet: it was obvious that any denomination which does not oppose abortion is not a bible-believing denomination. [Yes, there are individual pastors and churches which oppose abortion. Again, the problem is your searching for the right sect, rather than Jesus Christ. Something that is noticeably missing from your posts. For the most effective way to address sin which include abortion is to be born again in through Jesus Christ. Just fighting abortion is trying to solve the symptom, rather than the true root problem. Whe I read ABORTING AMERICA by Bernard Nathanson who stated that no Protestant denomination opposed abortion it was obvious the one and only church to join. When one reads the Word of God and compares them to Catholic teachings, they are two opposing gospels. One leads to eternal life, and one leads to eternal death. The most effective way to fight abortion is to make more disciples of Jesus Christ. Everything else is just trying to swim upstream. Your Text Signature ... Eph 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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DougErd		#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4379 07/04/09 00:49:23 Moderator	wondrousgnat wrote: True. Many Catholics approve of abortion. But the Roman Catholic church does NOT. The Catholic Church plays both sides of the abortion issue. While claiming they are a pro-life organization, they fund and support people and organizations that allow abortions to take place. Obviously your denominaton does and this was a copout. The problem is your looking for denominations rather than Jesus Christ. For His Gospel is pro-life. If you want to be part of an organization that is really pro-life. Repent of your sin, call on the name of Jesus Christ, then you will be saved. Then you will be in a pro-life organization plus have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven. There will come a Judgement Day. Correct. If you would die today, where will you spend eternity? If your not sure, or if your only hoping for salvation, then your not saved and will spend eternity in hell. We will not be judged by whether we were obedient to the current popular opinion. Correct. We will be separated with one group to the left and one group to the right. Do you know for sure which group you will be in? Your eternal destiny rides if you are a disciple of Jesus Christ or if your not. Following the teachings of the Catholic Church nor the Protestant Churches does not save anybody. Follow Jesus Christ and Him alone. Every priest, every pope every pastor will be judged by God. According to the Word of God, if one follows the teachings of the Catholic Church, they will be judged to eternal damnation in hell. Also, those who have not been born again will have the same destiny. The leaders of your denomination will be judged, in part, by their stand on the issue of abortion. Where do your leaders stand? Jesus Christ is pro-life. If your denomination does not stand up against abortion then why are you a member? That is why one must follow Jesus Christ and His Gospel. Follow no other. Your Text Signature ... Eph 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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DougErd		#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4379 07/04/09 00:49:57 Moderator	wondrousgnat wrote: Your faith has been proven by you to be a waste. You have nothing to show for it How is faith in Jesus Christ a waste???? Your Text Signature ... Eph 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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DougErd		#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4379 07/13/09 20:15:34 Moderator	Another tactic that Catholic apologists appear to be trying, because nothing else is working, is to attempt to take the username of effective Christian posters on one board and use similar names on another in a desperate attempt to confuse others. Your Text Signature ... Eph 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
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Sid2		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11850 10/01/09 14:09:04	I have and use a number of Catholic dictionaries, encyclopedias and reference books to help me get the sense of the Catholic understanding of a term, but even they at times seem to be of no value to my efforts to penetrate the confusing verbiage of Romish documentation. For this reason, when my Catholic antagonist begins to play the definitions game, I generally halt the proceedings and demand that we establish and agree on definitions of a number of terms elemental to the discussion in progress. This usually causes progress on the topic to grind to a complete stop as the RCC apologist attempts to lead the discussion down a variety of alternate paths. Switching topics, running down bunny trails, building and burning straw men, tossing out red herrings, etc., is standard game play for Rome's apologists. The only way to block such moves, I have found, is to absolutely refuse to accept the bait, instead compelling the Catholic go back to the original topic at hand. More . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
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