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Attira |
What Must We do to be Saved? |
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Posts: 260 06/30/09 22:16:58 |
The answer is straightforward and simple: To save our souls, we must worship God by faith, hope, and
charity; that is, we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart.
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DougErd |
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Posts: 4379 06/30/09 22:46:05 Moderator |
Attira wrote:Let's see what Jesus said when someone asked Him: MT 19:16 And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" and further.. MT 19:20 The young man *said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" MT 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." The Catholic Church teaches that what Jesus said isn't enough.....
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 06/30/09 23:14:50 |
DougErd wrote:The Catholic Faith teaches that we must worship God by faith, hope, and charity; that is, we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart. I'm puzzled why you reject that, especially since the verses from St Matthew you just posted support it |
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littleoneforjesus |
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Posts: 226 07/01/09 03:03:31 |
Attira wrote:But what happened to the rest of the Gospel? Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:And this? Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:And this? Ro 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. Ro 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.Now pay attention, Jesus is talking to a Pharisee here, and a grown man at that. Being born again has absolutely nothing to do with being baby baptised, but everthing to do with believing in Jesus. And it does not happen when we are born from our mothers either which is blatantly clear. Munch on that one a while.
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Sid2 |
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Posts: 11850 07/01/09 05:10:35 |
Attira wrote: If only the RCC would stop there, but it continues on: The gospel of RCism is salvation by grace plus merit through faith plus works in Christ plus the Church, baptismal regeneration, penance, masses, the rosary, indulgences, Mary and Purgatory. |
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 07/01/09 06:29:18 |
littleoneforjesus wrote:The Catholic Faith: we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart littleone: ...everything to do with believing in Jesus Where's the problem? |
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littleoneforjesus |
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Posts: 226 07/01/09 11:51:14 |
Attira wrote:Does this quote sound like this person in the op? Posted by Mike on CARM. The difference is three small words: faith, hope, and charity. Because of those, we are unafraid of deep dark conspiracies and are willing to pick up our crosses and love even our enemies, as Jesus commanded.
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 07/01/09 12:17:36 |
littleoneforjesus wrote:That's nice...but my original post is from the Baltimore Catechism (Q #9 here: http://www.catholicinform...es1.html#RTFToC6). Maybe Mike is the author of the Baltimore Catechism! Can't wait to see who I am tomorrow. |
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Posts: 35552 07/01/09 12:44:24 |
Attira wrote: Catholic apologists including Mike, show no love for Jesus Christ on Carm or elsewhere. Now some in the pews do seek after God, and show love, concern,
compassion, and the desire for God is there. But with people who have no problem with an archibishop worshipping hindu gods, by lighting a lamp to them, or
have no problem with Jesus being rejected, and people praising Islam--which rejects Jesus Christ, or praying to "allah" in mosques, how are we
supposed to believe such people have any love of Jesus Christ. They spout these slogans but they never show it.
as for beleiving in Jesus Christ, none of them do either, they all believe in the rCC to save them. |
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 07/01/09 12:49:00 |
Budge2 wrote:Of course "an archibishop worshipping hindu gods, by lighting a lamp to them, or have no problem with Jesus being rejected, and people praising Islam" are dead wrong, and we should pray for them. But as for my question: To save our souls, we must worship God by faith, hope, and charity; that is, we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart - agree or disagree?. |
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littleoneforjesus |
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Posts: 226 07/01/09 13:06:57 |
Unless one trusts fully and ONLY in the finished work of Jesus and has His Spirit indwelling him, God does not hear that one's prayers unless it is for
salvation. You can have all the faith, hope and love you can muster but if it isn't directed to the right ONE it is all in vain.
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 07/01/09 13:33:06 |
littleoneforjesus wrote:Although you add some qualifiers, you seem to agree: salvation is dependent on believing, hoping in, and loving God . |
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Sasha2uu.biblicalchristi... |
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Posts: 907 07/01/09 13:56:26 |
Attira wrote: "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" |
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Sid2 |
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Posts: 11850 07/01/09 14:20:12 |
Sasha2uu wrote: Sasha: Isn't it amazing that RCism has to be misrepresented to sound more Christian? It is a horrible thing to give an unsaved person false hope. We can not continue to assume that Catholics are saved. Catholicism is built on different foundations, different authority and a different gospel/plan of salvation. Two gospels that conflict with each other are NOT the same. There is only ONE gospel that saves, and it is no where to be found in Catholicism.
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Sasha2uu.biblicalchristi... |
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Posts: 907 07/01/09 17:16:24 |
Sasha:
Isn't it amazing that RCism has to be misrepresented to sound more Christian? It is a horrible thing to give an unsaved person false hope. We can not continue to assume that Catholics are saved. Catholicism is built on different foundations, different authority and a different gospel/plan of salvation. Two gospels that conflict with each other are NOT the same. There is only ONE gospel that saves, and it is no where to be found in Catholicism. As always Sid.....excellent post; well said. Two thumbs up! |
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Posts: 3970 07/01/09 23:49:06 |
What is amazing is that Attria does not get it... Most of us here are former Catholics. We know what that corrupt system teaches. Some of us even taught it! We
know that it just does not line up with God and His Word!
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Attira |
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Posts: 260 07/02/09 06:15:15 |
Sasha2uu wrote:Thanks you for supporting the Catholic belief about Salvation!! |
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Posts: 260 07/02/09 06:16:59 |
midnightbirdgirl wrote:After reading the claims of the few active posters on this board, I really have difficulty believing anyone here was actual Catholic, except maybe in name only. |
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Sid2 |
Like bologna, the RCC and RCism goes down best unexamined | #18 | ||
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Posts: 11850 07/02/09 06:33:14 |
Attira wrote: Are you playing the no one can truly understand RCism and reject it gambit? The more I came to understand the RCC, the easier it became to reject it. . . . for me, the biggest problems of Catholic BAD THEOLOGY center around it's obsession with everything Mary and it's embrace of anything amillennialism. I doubt if one Catholic in a hundred has a clue about amillennialism, or that it colors everything that the RCC touches. |
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