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Budge2		#201	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 15:38:25	Budge, looks like the 'baton' has been passed. Yep sure looks like it has!
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Cym98		#202	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1629 02/29/08 15:46:37	Tan2Day wrote: Hate = Disagreeing with them strongly. Love = Agreeing with them constantly. SEE, now you understand the lingo, and how this works. Thank you Tan. For my part, this has always been my understanding of the emergent definition of the two terms, however, I respectfully maintain they are not mine, nor ever will be. And as I continue to have alot of personal respect for you, any replies to this will be directed ONLY to you.
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Cym98		#203	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1629 02/29/08 15:49:48	Budge2 wrote: Don and Cym have their agenda and its becoming more and more evident. Yes, Budge, I realize that you would rather I just go quietly away and I now PERFECTLY understand your motivations for that, but I'm afraid its astoundingly arrogant statements such as the above which make that impossible.
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Budge2		#204	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 15:58:45	Cym if you had posted to me even as a fellow human being, even ONCE, I would have thought differently about you. Every single one of your posts to me has been all about trying to rip down my personality and the personality and characters of my Christian friends here. So why should I want to continue in your company? What reason do I have? We are spiritually divided dear, we share nothing in common. There are atheists and wiccans, I can talk to easier then you :At least with a few of them [the seekers], the ones who havent had their consciences seared yet, they dont turn every conversation into a VENDETTA against those who DISAGREE WITH THEM.
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Budge2		#205	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 16:02:27	Oh and Cym, I may as well lay it down here. Why not. You are VERY ARROGANT, in the fact that every one of your posts is about criticizing others. Have you ever patted another Christian on the back here, or offered support? No I don't think so, unless it was congratulations for watering things down for your sake. Last Edited By: Budge2 02/29/08 16:05:23. Edited 1 time.
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Budge2		#206	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 16:03:08	I am sure now you will boo-hoo, and now play your IM A BETTER CHRISTIAN THEN YOU games, to make yourself look better now. You never deviate from the script.
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Budge2		#207	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 16:04:44	Tan2Day wrote: Hate = Disagreeing with them strongly. Love = Agreeing with them constantly. SEE, now you understand the lingo, and how this works. Thank you Tan. For my part, this has always been my understanding of the emergent definition of the two terms, however, I respectfully maintain they are not mine, nor ever will be. And as I continue to have alot of personal respect for you, any replies to this will be directed ONLY to you. What does that answer even MEAN? If you are operating from that definition CYM then they are Your definition.
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Cym98		#208	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1629 02/29/08 17:33:52	My goodness. Four posts to say what could have been said in a single sentence. Does that sound familiar Budge? I''m sorry that I obviously stir you up to the extent that I do, and I mean that. It is not my intention. Addressing only your first reply, I have to say that each and every thing you've said there can apply equally to you, and in that, I agree. We are indeed, divided and it is to neither side's credit. Tho I stand fully by what I said in accordance to my beliefs regarding the entire subject, I do sincerely regret my part in this. Can you say the same, Budge? I fully believe however, that I have indeed, treated you (in accordance to my well-known stance on christian civility) as a 'fellow human being' as you put it. I even attempted to do so via PM and that included an apology to you for my part in this division between us as believers, a PM, you very tellingly and pointedly ignored. What does THAT say? Last Edited By: Cym98 02/29/08 17:37:25. Edited 1 time.
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Cathaholic1	wow	#209	[url]	[-]
Posts: 438 02/29/08 20:56:38	This thread went south fast. I think what is needed is balance. A time to love and a time for strong words. None of us can afford to be too far to one side. And I don't believe that most here are. I am not a "Don basher", but I do note an arrogance in Don's commentary in this thread in that he can do exactly what he accuses others of and its okay. He can cite Jesus when it comes to speaking in love. Yet he literally foams at the mouth at those who cite Jesus when it comes to stern words. Jesus did both. Balance. I love Budge for her zeal. I love Tan for his dedication and whit. I love Cheeze for his attempts at being fair. I love Cym for her tenderness in speaking truths. And yes, I love Don because he, just like all the rest of you, is a member of my family in Christ. Does this mean any of us is perfect? Nope. I'm sure not. You can look through my posts and see that. So while we're all trying to learn balance why not give each other a little grace and not push our own imbalances. Am I making any sense? Probably not. But I hate to see my brothers and sisters angry with one another.
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Budge2		#210	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 21:09:09	Cathaholic, I think youre a great person, so I'm with you there and know you mean well. We have been dealing with these posts from certain parties for some time....however I do consider myself spiritually divided from anyone that makes any excuses for the Emergent movement or is unable to state firmly without 20 disclaimers, {yes I know there are some folks who get saved in the RCC, in spite of the RCC,} that the RCC is not a Christian church in practice and belief. This is where I stand with these two. I know some see Don and Cym as fellow Christians, but dealing with dozens of posts where they are talking to me EXACTLY like Emergents and Catholics with a seared conscience, and yes I only know God knows for sure, but I am not feeling any degree of sisterhood or brotherhood with both of them. A person can state they are a Christian til the cows come home, but if the fruits are that they stand against fellow Christian believers every chance they get who do speak the truth, its not a good sign of where they stand spiritually. Cheezit I consider a fellow Christian even with our disagreements, he at least doesnt hedge on the Catholic stuff and Cheezit also has made previously for years strong stands without deviation. I think even good Christians who get battered by the "youre all haters" coalition, sometimes give in to it. I remember even as a baby Christian first being on here, and thinking "Oh if I befriend everyone, they'll listen". So that's where I stand. Im not going to tell anyone else what to think in that regard. This is just where I am coming from. Last Edited By: Budge2 02/29/08 21:13:18. Edited 2 times.
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Budge2		#211	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 21:21:30	My goodness. Four posts to say what could have been said in a single sentence. Does that sound familiar Budge? I''m sorry that I obviously stir you up to the extent that I do, and I mean that. It is not my intention. Addressing only your first reply, I have to say that each and every thing you've said there can apply equally to you, and in that, I agree. We are indeed, divided and it is to neither side's credit. Tho I stand fully by what I said in accordance to my beliefs regarding the entire subject, I do sincerely regret my part in this. Can you say the same, Budge? I fully believe however, that I have indeed, treated you (in accordance to my well-known stance on christian civility) as a 'fellow human being' as you put it. I even attempted to do so via PM and that included an apology to you for my part in this division between us as believers, a PM, you very tellingly and pointedly ignored. What does THAT say Yes Cym, we are spiritually divided. Take this or leave it, you can tell the board, that this makes me a bad person but so be it. Im spiritually divided from the majority of United Methodists down the street and the Unitarian Universalists I left behind as well. Some people here are giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are a fellow Christian believer. Ive dealt with you for enough years, with EVERY SINGLE ONE OF your POSTS being about trying to silence me, and throwing walls up--using Catholic apologist technique #3, that I am not going to automatically assume you are a sister-in Christ, or give that same benefit of the doubt. So where does that leave us? I would rather not have to deal with these ENDLESS threads on this boring and overworked topic, where you do nothing but complain about other Christians, and put yourself as some moral icon to be followed. Your PM had that same attitude, not really talking to me, but just more of the same. One thing odd I find about your internet persona is you never share anything specific about yourself to the point of a utter CIPHER. a Vague one, that wants everyone else to be like a cloud of fuzz, and gets angry when they are not. Im not saying share home address or anything like that, but Im talking about the things of life, like "please pray for me, a relative of mine is sick or the other day I read this book", every single one of your posts is the SAME THING OVER AND OVER. "YOU ARE ALL HATERS, and I'M NOT, and DO THINGS MY WAY!" Well Cym the answer is NO, so deal with it.
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Cym98		#212	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1629 02/29/08 22:20:59	Budge, I never share personal information with anyone but those intimate friends I can truly trust. And to my knowledge, I did post my personal testimony here over a year ago now and saw no reason to repeat in the personal testimony thread especially in light of the current attitude towards my posts here. Once again, as with Cheezit, you make blanket false statements in saying that EVERY one of my posts has ALWAYS been in the nature of these threads. My PM was a sincere effort to understand just why you react the way you do here and again, INCLUDED an apology, which is far more than you are apparently capable of, for my part in the division. The fact you read it the way you do, speaks volumnes Budge, and is no reflection on me. Trust me, for some time now, I too, have been giving you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your being a fellow believer, and for my part, will continue to do so, given that it is not for me, for anyone, and wait for it........even YOU, Budge to judge another's standing with Christ. As for prayer threads and the like, there is a distinct LACK of these on this board. I do remember, however sometime back, when Baydoll asked for prayer concerning a stolen car and my participation in that thread is certainly on the record, assuming the thread still exists. BTW, when is the last time you, yourself started such a thread, asking for prayer? Last Edited By: Cym98 02/29/08 22:25:03. Edited 1 time.
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Budge2		#213	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 22:25:59	Once again, as with Cheezit, you make blanket false statements in saying that EVERY one of my posts has ALWAYS been in the nature of these threads. Fine, then 90% are. I should have been more specific...
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Katzee1		#214	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3580 02/29/08 22:36:05	I'm not much for too much self-revelation on boards either..If I want to talk personal stuff I do it via pm or private email with people I have grown to know somewhat and trust. But I think it would be great if there was more exhortation among the believers. I think this board does a very good work...but I just wish there was a place for that. Like while working so hard to defend the faith and expose the ugly false stuff going on everywhere, if we could put it all in the broader perspective. But that's just my own personal need and maybe no one else shares it. If not, that's ok.
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Budge2		#215	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 22:41:09	As for prayer threads and the like, there is a distinct LACK of these on this board. Then START some, and some THREADS you would like instead of this continual harrassment against other believers. Quit wasting all your time here with this Catholic apologetics #3 garbage and help people out instead of HINDERING THEM. Post some Pslams, and lighter fare, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE WELCOME. Or it is just EASIER for you all to fight instead of actually putting any effort in around here?. I told your pal Don to SHOW us WHAT HE WANTED. Do some good witnessing posts, be an example, instead how long has this been, three months of this garbage? Since you play the RCC apologist game of "NEVER GET PAINTED INTO A CORNER", perhaps it was difficult for you to write a clear and concise apology. I just didnt see one in that PM you sent me. But never mind, at this point it doesnt matter. From now on, Im going back to my previous policy I got distracted from because of the tag-teaming aspect of you and your pals. Any posts, that are just whining about people's characters, personalities, and has anything to do with telling Christians "youre all haters", unless you are rebuking for an actual and specific sin, I'll be taking down. Im sure you can slip a few in on days I dont have time to read all of the message board, but Ill be taking down what I can. Any threads, posts and answers about OTHER TOPICS, youre FREE AND CLEAR. Oh and unless I am in a position of having to discuss something with you with moderator hat on, I'm done. We are spiritually divided and there is nothing to be gained but manipulation, and strife from your end. Probably one of the best, but spiritually dear, that kind of stuff puts you in a bad place. Others can make their own choice as to their level of engagement with you. I learned my lesson with a certain guy with endless college degrees, its better sometimes to walk away from certain personalities.
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Budge2		#216	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35552 02/29/08 22:44:36	But I think it would be great if there was more exhortation among the believers. I think this board does a very good work...but I just wish there was a place for that. Like while working so hard to defend the faith and expose the ugly false stuff going on everywhere, if we could put it all in the broader perspective. But that's just my own personal need and maybe no one else shares it. If not, that's ok. Katzee, I used to do posts like that all the time, "getting to know you", "put your personal prayer requests" here., but one thing, people for good reason, have figured out that when in heavy spiritual warfare with so many totally opposed to the gospel, that sharing personal things is not always the best policy. Many Christians here pray and exhort each other behind the board. {PMs etc}
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baydoll		#217	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18997 03/01/08 07:01:54 Moderator	Well gee, Cathaholic...I guess you don't love anything about me. I guess you're one of those 'people' Cym was talking about.
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Sasha2U		#218	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2173 03/01/08 09:22:31	Cathaholic1 wrote: This thread went south fast. I think what is needed is balance. A time to love and a time for strong words. None of us can afford to be too far to one side. And I don't believe that most here are. I am not a "Don basher", but I do note an arrogance in Don's commentary in this thread in that he can do exactly what he accuses others of and its okay. He can cite Jesus when it comes to speaking in love. Yet he literally foams at the mouth at those who cite Jesus when it comes to stern words. Jesus did both. Balance. I love Budge for her zeal. I love Tan for his dedication and whit. I love Cheeze for his attempts at being fair. I love Cym for her tenderness in speaking truths. And yes, I love Don because he, just like all the rest of you, is a member of my family in Christ. Does this mean any of us is perfect? Nope. I'm sure not. You can look through my posts and see that. So while we're all trying to learn balance why not give each other a little grace and not push our own imbalances. Am I making any sense? Probably not. But I hate to see my brothers and sisters angry with one another. Cathalholic.. Yeah you sure are and I second that....VERY well said! Well, I for one am "out"....Lord nows my respect and admiration for Tan runs miles deep...he has a powerful anointing on his life and is BLESSED with numerous gifts....he sure has a knack for dividing the Word and for conveying that knowledge to us lesser mortals in a clear, concise and pithy manner! For that alone, Tan has been a huge blessing in my life...and I am very grateful. However...I absolutely refuse to engage in any bashing of Cym, or refer to her as a non-Christian or "emergent" or any other negative label that is being bandied about on here for whatever SELF RIGHTEOUS reason one can come up with. ....and yep SELF RIGHTEOUS is the word...another one would be SPIRITUAL ARROGANCE....something that I have been repeatedly warned against falling into myself. Look....all I am is a drunk who was released from that hell by the power of Christ.....a dirty rotten filthy ragged sinner who deserved NOTHING form my Lord and Savior ...NADA. And yet He loved me enough to raise me up...I am blessed...blessed...BLESSED! I must always remember to remain TEACHABLE...when I think I know it all, I'm in big trouble. I must consistantly ask Him to help me be HUMBLE....'cause Lord knows, most days I'm anything but. And I need to be mindful of my own anger..... hey I know when I'm messing up because the Holy Spirit convicts me pretty darn quick these days...and I need to pay attention! God bless you all....I'll be praying for the board. ciao!
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Katzee1		#219	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3580 03/01/08 09:40:41	Budge... I didn't mean personal stuff. I realized when I wrote that I was not making clear what I was talking about...and I'm still not sure, I guess. But I'm totally with you on what you said.
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cheezit01		#220	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2213 03/01/08 09:55:39	Budge2 wrote: From now on, Im going back to my previous policy I got distracted from because of the tag-teaming aspect of you and your pals. Any posts, that are just whining about people's characters, personalities, and has anything to do with telling Christians "youre all haters", unless you are rebuking for an actual and specific sin, I'll be taking down. Im sure you can slip a few in on days I dont have time to read all of the message board, but Ill be taking down what I can. Any threads, posts and answers about OTHER TOPICS, youre FREE AND CLEAR. Come on Budge. Be serious. What does it say to others when the Overall Moderator feels so threatened by a few posts of a couple of posters that she feels she has to resort to censorship? ESPECIALLY when the posts in question don't even say the things they are alleged to be saying. The first thing that comes to my mind is why should I even bother to post if you are only going to be lurking around with your finger on the delete button, just waiting for me to say something you don't happen to like. Then again, maybe NOT posting is what you REALLY want from me. Sorry to disappoint, but I just don't have all that many funny emails I can post. For the record, I've saved this post so if it disappears, I'll have my answer.
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